Adult Gohan

What are your views on grown up gohan? keep in mind he was never really a fighter and his fight with dabura was imo more impressive skill wise than his entire fight with cell. there was more variety of moves and it seemed like he was more willing to give his all than kid gohan was. i dont mean mystic gohan, though my opinion of him has changed a bit today too.

Also what did you think of that short gohan vs hirudegarn fight?

He's a NEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRD.

But in all seriousness, both U16 and U18 seem to become "serious" as soon as they saw U16 Pan die. I'm just glad he still has the same power level from him Chou power up.

"Also what did you think of that short gohan vs hirudegarn fight? "

Pointless and non-canon.

wasted potential. wasted character

never realy liked gohan

how was it pointless? it gave us a taste of the power of the new villain and gave gohan the spotlight in an awesome little duel.

also "non canon" SO THE HELL WHAT?

why was he wasted? because he doesnt train even though he never liked fighting? it would be completely out of character if he trained. also he didnt waste his potential. he went mystic remember? you want him to be like future gohan too much. despite the massive differences in their lives. in the future everyone was dead. in the main timeline there was no one left to fight so gohan could do what he wanted to do, rather than what goku and piccolo wanted him to do.

Except, even though Gohan got the mystic powerup, he still fought like someone who hadn't fought in seven years (badly), lost to Buu, and got absorbed, making Buu stronger. And then didn't train at all between the end of Z and Multiverse. Therefore, wasted potential.

future gohan with the same mystic power up. would beat regular gohan in terms of fighting skill alone.

sure he is always at max power (untill he spends ki of course) but it's wasted on him, because he is a lousy fighter, and yeah he doesn't like to train/fight. why give him the power in the first place then.

Well, I don't really think Gohan would train after Z, but I think he shouldn't have gotten involved in that case, because seeing Gohan
fight in GT is just cringe worthy. I don't mind Gohan's lack of training. He never even liked fighting, and only fought because his entire
childhood was just him being bombarded with fights and desperation. I can understand why he would stop fighting all together in times
of peace and get on with his life.

Future Gohan is awesome, though. That's Gohan if there was no peace and all responsibility was on him.
Does anyone else think it's kind of cool that he has a different voice to the main timeline?

future gohan with the same mystic power up. would beat regular gohan in terms of fighting skill

obviously. but im saying that adult gohan has more skill and more fighting mindset than say kid gohan.

he has power but its not wasted if he never wanted it. which he didnt. but its not like he will ever just sit there on the sidelines and let his friends die. he just doesnt train. he prefers his life. the life of a human.

imo its not fair to want present gohan to be as cool or skilled as in the future. totally different lives and circumstances.

how was it cringe worthy? its not like he did any worse than goten, trunks, uub etc. in fact he was respected as a fighter and pretty much stronger than even goten boosted by baby.

so i say adult gohan is awesome. i dont care if hes not as strong as his kid self.

also abit the fault of the fans. with wanting goku to return as the main hero (something toriyama regretted)

Biggest let down ever. You can't have a kickass finish to a major saga followed by the hero becoming pussified. At some point, Goku just has to stay dead. Fans raped Gohan into being a bitch in the Buu saga so much so that even getting a Chou upgrade didn't improve him as much. The damage was done.

how was he pussified? ill never understand it. you expected gohan to contradict all that character development and enjoy fighting? its not who he is. the character development doesnt lie in gohan becoming as good as his dad, but rather maturing. becoming a man. going his own way, not goku's or chichi's or piccolo's. gohan simply isnt a warrior or a hero.

Ussj Future Trunks wrote: gohan simply isnt a warrior or a hero.

except, he is exactly that. at the intended end of the manga and show, he WAS a warrior and THE hero. he defeated cell. and with that, it all was to end. toriyama just succumbed to the demands for more. again.

against cell, gohan understood why there has to be a strong hero. he understood that HE is the strong Hero now. if goku would have been dead completely, gohan would have accepted his responsability as the new hero. because THAT actually is a character trait he has. he is very reliable and accepts responsibilities that are put on him.

and that is why he should have been an awesome fighter once he turned teen and then adult. because he couldnt know his dad would be back. toriyama knew and so did not further gohans hero-development. the fans wanted goku.

Ussj Future Trunks wrote:
also "non canon" SO THE HELL WHAT?

why was he wasted? because he doesnt train even though he never liked fighting? it would be completely out of character if he trained. also he didnt waste his potential. he went mystic remember?

Exactly non canon. This movie was stated to be right after the Buu Saga, but before the end of Z, right? Mystic Gohan>SSJ3 Gohan. The movie made no sense in how Mystic Gohan (and SSJ3 Gotenks) got bitch slapped while SSJ3 Goku was able to do fine. The movie was all about Goku winning, that's it. Same with the DBZ special on SSJ3 Goku doing better than SSJ3 Gotenks.

he WAS a warrior

maybe but he didnt want to be. hes the ultimate reluctant hero.

if he understood hes the hero then why did it take so much of goku yelling at him for him to release all his power? if he accepted he was to defend the earth, why didnt he train, or why didnt goku tell chichi gohan had to train?

gohan's true development imo is growing from a crybaby dependent boy to a confident responsible free man. free to do what he wants, not chichi's or goku's or piccolo's will. not to contradict piccolo and say that gohan IS a fighter.

The movie made no sense in how Mystic Gohan (and SSJ3 Gotenks) got bitch slapped while SSJ3 Goku was able to do fine.

gokus a fighting genius. hirudegarn was weaker because goku was exploiting his weakness. he was no longer anywhere near full power when goku dragon fisted him.

Gohan was a pimp but made the pimpmistake to marry his girl (keeping it clean)
I don't know how many times he pimpslapped Super Buu but as you could see he
got mad from being dissed stole Gotenks' pimpjacket and started pimpslapping
back using Piccolo's pimplines. "Get on mah horse!" and "You want to see a
gorilla in my trunk? And by trunk I mean my horse's ass." Foshizzle yo!

Ussj Future Trunks wrote:gokus a fighting genius. hirudegarn was weaker because goku was exploiting his weakness. he was no longer anywhere near full power when goku dragon fisted him.

Goku being a fighting genius shouldn't have anything to do with him being able to defeat Hirudegarn like that. And what makes you think Gohan is not a genius as well? We all know he is. Goku in the movie/specialverse is broken.

actualy it was gohan who found out hildugrams weakness. but goku was the only one that took advantage of it.

I think it would have been good for Gohan to occasionally spar with his friend and mentor Piccolo. It might have got Pan a better teacher. Wouldn't seem out of character either, he liked spending time with Piccolo, and it would be a convenient way for him to do it.

hmm... imagine Pan as dedicated a fighter as Videl, training primarily under Piccolo, and getting some IT & SSJ training from Goku with Goten.

Mrperson0 wrote:Goku being a fighting genius shouldn't have anything to do with him being able to defeat Hirudegarn like that. And what makes you think Gohan is not a genius as well? We all know he is.

Gohan isn't a fighting genius. The series goes out of its way to establish that, after seven years of not fighting or training in any way, Gohan fights like crap. Even after the Mystic power up, Gohan continues to fight badly. It's just that at that point, he has so much power that it doesn't matter.

heck piccollo and some of the others also mention it in that latest tv special (the one with vegeta's brother)

gohan gives some advice to trunks and goten.
someone (either yamcha or vegeta, can't remember who) mentions that gohan is getting his fighting spirit back by watching this fight.
Piccolo: Mabey, but he's still rusty/sloppy as always