How strong is Cell?
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How strong is Cell?
What are your theories of Cells power?
So he killed SSJ2 Teen Gohan in the Kamehameha struggle, Goku remained dead, and Cell absorbed Vegeta, Trunks and Piccolo?
I think this, plus his years of training would put him at about Ultimate Gohan's power.
So he killed SSJ2 Teen Gohan in the Kamehameha struggle, Goku remained dead, and Cell absorbed Vegeta, Trunks and Piccolo?
I think this, plus his years of training would put him at about Ultimate Gohan's power.
U16_Bra- Posts : 15
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Very strong, there, happy now?
Stick- Posts : 213
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Re: How strong is Cell?
Wait, you think Cell absorbed Vegeta, Trunks, and Piccolo? For one thing, Trunks was dead by the time the kamehameha struggle happened. For another, I think Cell was done with his absorbing back when his tail became vestigial. Finally, you think he would absorb Piccolo, Trunks, and Vegeta, but would ignore Krillin, Tien, and Yamcha?
Hyp3rB14d3- Posts : 192
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That universe was covered in the novel.
Cell beat Gohan because Vegeta thought it was hopeless and didn't give Gohan an opening by blasting him.
Cell killed Gohan, and then Vegeta, piccolo and the Humans all ganged up on him and one by one got killed.
It was actually a pretty bad ass chapter.
Cell beat Gohan because Vegeta thought it was hopeless and didn't give Gohan an opening by blasting him.
Cell killed Gohan, and then Vegeta, piccolo and the Humans all ganged up on him and one by one got killed.
It was actually a pretty bad ass chapter.
Leon- Posts : 223
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I wish there would be an English translation for the novel. It felt weird reading it from Google Translate.
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Z-Dragon87- Posts : 20
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Re: How strong is Cell?
why would cell absorb the z-fighters. when he also has their cells and power.
he only absorbed #17 & #18. and only drained humans in his first form, not absorb.
buu absorbs people
i think dbm full power cell could rival mystic gohan (mainly because gohan doesn't train)
the super namek would trash him
he only absorbed #17 & #18. and only drained humans in his first form, not absorb.
buu absorbs people
i think dbm full power cell could rival mystic gohan (mainly because gohan doesn't train)
the super namek would trash him
Docter KillJoy- Posts : 463
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alright cell admits vegetto and broly are obviously stronger, but cell is able to get stronger as the tournament continues. so i think his plan is blow himself up again or let himself come to near death. as it stands i think U18 vegeta and goku are stronger than cell by a fair margin.
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I think it would be very strange if cell is stronger then goku and vegeta u18.
seeing as salagirs is so desperate on keeping gohan the strongest. why would cell be allowed to grow faster then?
seeing as salagirs is so desperate on keeping gohan the strongest. why would cell be allowed to grow faster then?
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Salagir wants Gohan to be stronger than Goku and Vegeta for the same reason Cell could be stronger than Gohan: genetics. Half-saiyans have more potential than full saiyans, and Gohan has power beyond his full potential due to the elder kai boost. According to Salagir, Gohan is as strong as he can ever become: his power is maximum.
Cell, being genetically designed from the ground up to be the ultimate warrior, has even more potential than Gohan. What's more, it is implied that he has been training the whole time. So Cell could very well be stronger than Goku and Vegeta. However, unlike Gohan, his power has not been unlocked past his potential. He is not as strong as he could possibly become. His power is not maximum. Does that mean it's lower than Gohan's? Maybe, maybe not. We'll see when it comes up in the comic.
Cell, being genetically designed from the ground up to be the ultimate warrior, has even more potential than Gohan. What's more, it is implied that he has been training the whole time. So Cell could very well be stronger than Goku and Vegeta. However, unlike Gohan, his power has not been unlocked past his potential. He is not as strong as he could possibly become. His power is not maximum. Does that mean it's lower than Gohan's? Maybe, maybe not. We'll see when it comes up in the comic.
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Leon wrote:That universe was covered in the novel.
Cell beat Gohan because Vegeta thought it was hopeless and didn't give Gohan an opening by blasting him.
Cell killed Gohan, and then Vegeta, piccolo and the Humans all ganged up on him and one by one got killed.
It was actually a pretty bad ass chapter.
Can you link me to that? It sounds cool.
According to Salagir, Gohan is as strong as he can ever become: his power is maximum.
Is that a reference to that 5 year old's drawing in a newspaper?
Re: How strong is Cell?
...Maybe...
Or maybe it's a reference to episode 17 of Team Four Star's DBZ Abridged.
Or maybe it's a reference to episode 17 of Team Four Star's DBZ Abridged.
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sorry but the power is maxium title belongs to broly
Docter KillJoy- Posts : 463
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nah! now vegeta is maximum!
Ussj Future Trunks- Posts : 472
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oke so far we know that the top 3 are
1: vegetto
2: Broly
3: Zen buu
i believe the super namek is 4th. bra(mabey) 5th and cell 6th or 7th.
depending on how strong goku is in dbm.
1: vegetto
2: Broly
3: Zen buu
i believe the super namek is 4th. bra(mabey) 5th and cell 6th or 7th.
depending on how strong goku is in dbm.
Docter KillJoy- Posts : 463
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answer to "how strong is ______?"?
easy, as salagir said himself: "as strong as the author wants them to be!".
no need for any debates or guessing.
easy, as salagir said himself: "as strong as the author wants them to be!".
no need for any debates or guessing.
Syrias- Posts : 125
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Only in his dreams. And Dragon Ball Multiverse...Ussj Future Trunks wrote:nah! now vegeta is maximum!
Nah, fifth and sixth are Gohan. Cell is probably seventh. Unless he really is as strong as he's been acting, in which case he's probably fourth or fifth.Docter KillJoy wrote:oke so far we know that the top 3 are
1: vegetto
2: Broly
3: Zen buu
i believe the super namek is 4th. bra(mabey) 5th and cell 6th or 7th.
depending on how strong goku is in dbm.
Hyp3rB14d3- Posts : 192
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i was talking about those in the tournament.
both gohans aren't in the tournament.
sure u16 is busy fighting zen buu in space.
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@syrias.
salagir needs to get off his high horse
both gohans aren't in the tournament.
sure u16 is busy fighting zen buu in space.
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@syrias.
salagir needs to get off his high horse
Docter KillJoy- Posts : 463
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Re: How strong is Cell?
I wouldn't expect Cell to train however, if salagir does, he could be very strong if he does so...
1st, how many threats could Cell have faced?
-Bojack [King kai died]
-Dabura [has enough power get their attention]
-Brolli's return? [SPCell and a few Cell jr does not match salagir's win SSJ1-3 Kamehameha + Vegeta]
2nd, how many Zenkai's could Cells Body actually have gotten [better regen than a namek makes it harder to zenkai imho] since he's not really in danger of dying.
3rd, how creative is salagir's Cell. Being an artificial life form, I see him as having the Data [from start trek ng] complex. No imagination, or original ideas. Cell needs an outside source to improve upon himself as his programming tells him he is complete and perfect. His knowledge base on how the Z-warriors trained could be very limited in contrast to knowledge on how they fight.
seems most of his DNA came from pre-Z versions of the Z warriors save the groupings of...
A. Piccolo [well as kamicolo] was the last significant sample.
B. [Freeza, Cold... maybe Vegeta again or whoever would have fought if not for Trunks]
C. [Vegeta, Goku, Nappa, Saibaman... maybe Piccolo again if not all warriors present EXCEPT Gohan]
D. [Radditz, Goku, Piccolo]
E. [pre-Z tourney Goku, Piccolo.jr, Tien, Krillin, Yamcha, Chaosu]
F. [Pre-Z tourney Goku, K.Piccolo, Tien, Krillin, Yamcha, Chaosu]
note: They still considered Piccolo-jr to be King-Piccolo, but they had data on his Makankōsappō.
1st, how many threats could Cell have faced?
-Bojack [King kai died]
-Dabura [has enough power get their attention]
-Brolli's return? [SPCell and a few Cell jr does not match salagir's win SSJ1-3 Kamehameha + Vegeta]
2nd, how many Zenkai's could Cells Body actually have gotten [better regen than a namek makes it harder to zenkai imho] since he's not really in danger of dying.
3rd, how creative is salagir's Cell. Being an artificial life form, I see him as having the Data [from start trek ng] complex. No imagination, or original ideas. Cell needs an outside source to improve upon himself as his programming tells him he is complete and perfect. His knowledge base on how the Z-warriors trained could be very limited in contrast to knowledge on how they fight.
seems most of his DNA came from pre-Z versions of the Z warriors save the groupings of...
A. Piccolo [well as kamicolo] was the last significant sample.
B. [Freeza, Cold... maybe Vegeta again or whoever would have fought if not for Trunks]
C. [Vegeta, Goku, Nappa, Saibaman... maybe Piccolo again if not all warriors present EXCEPT Gohan]
D. [Radditz, Goku, Piccolo]
E. [pre-Z tourney Goku, Piccolo.jr, Tien, Krillin, Yamcha, Chaosu]
F. [Pre-Z tourney Goku, K.Piccolo, Tien, Krillin, Yamcha, Chaosu]
note: They still considered Piccolo-jr to be King-Piccolo, but they had data on his Makankōsappō.
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bra appears equal to gohan in ssj1 and thats probably not even her max form. can gohan make vegetto go ssj in sparring? doubt it.Nah, fifth and sixth are Gohan.
i seriously doubt cell fought broly in U17. considering he said dabura was stronger than kid gohan. remember how long that broly fight in U18 took. maybe cell killed broly before he went lssj. since ssj broly = ssj vegeta (buu saga).Bojack [King kai died]
-Dabura [has enough power get their attention]
-Brolli's return? [SPCell and a few Cell jr does not match salagir's win SSJ1-3 Kamehameha + Vegeta]
was it really programmed into him that he knew the ussj weakness/how to self destruct/other ingenious crap?No imagination, or original ideas.
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I seriously doubt Gohan would have suggested allowing Bra to relieve stress by attacking him if she was stronger than him.Ussj Future Trunks wrote:bra appears equal to gohan in ssj1 and thats probably not even her max form. can gohan make vegetto go ssj in sparring? doubt it.Nah, fifth and sixth are Gohan.
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i dont. bra wouldnt kill her brother just because shes mad. and gohan has taken blows from gotenks buu at this point and lived, despite that power gap. hell she would probably calm down to base before hitting gohan.
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I also doubt Cell fought Brolli but for the reason i listed above. Cell has too much Vegeta to not get killed by waiting for Brolli's LSSJ form. The dominant ki in Cell could be Goku's... so if brolli did return I doubt Cell could have handled the situation as U-18 did.Ussj Future Trunks wrote:i seriously doubt cell fought broly in U17. considering he said dabura was stronger than kid gohan. remember how long that broly fight in U18 took. maybe cell killed broly before he went lssj. since ssj broly = ssj vegeta (buu saga).Bojack [King kai died]
-Dabura [has enough power get their attention]
-Brolli's return? [SPCell and a few Cell jr does not match salagir's win SSJ1-3 Kamehameha + Vegeta]
it was really programmed into him to observe weaknesses in his opponent. Cell noticing Super Trunks moving slower than Super Vegeta when his P.Cell form is significantly faster than both does not require imagination or original ideas/concepts.... the buff is practically just Roshi's max power stacked on a SSJ anyway. Cell already had it designed into his imperfect form the ability to self destruct in order to kill Goku... and that is exactly what he did. #16 makes this even more credible. Cell didn't even know he could regen until Piccolo did so in front of him. So what ingenuous crap did Cell actually do?Ussj Future Trunks wrote:was it really programmed into him that he knew the ussj weakness/how to self destruct/other ingenious crap?No imagination, or original ideas.
note: learning doesn't require imagination or original ideas.
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No, but there's a chance she might have taken him up on his offer to use him to vent some steam.Ussj Future Trunks wrote:i dont. bra wouldnt kill her brother just because shes mad.
Standing there and taking a hit is way different than being hit in a fight. For one thing, in a fight, you generally move to reduce the damage of the hit, try to dodge it, or try to block it. During the fight with Gotenks Buu, Gohan never just stood still and took a hit. When Gohan told Bra to hit him, he was just standing there. He didn't tell Bra to fight him, he told her to hit him.Ussj Future Trunks wrote:and gohan has taken blows from gotenks buu at this point and lived, despite that power gap.
Gohan powered up before telling her to hit him. If he was so sure that she wasn't going to actually hit him, he wouldn't have bothered. On the other hand, if there was any risk of her actually seriously injuring him, he would have let Vegetto take care of it instead of intervening.Ussj Future Trunks wrote:hell she would probably calm down to base before hitting gohan.
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but he didnt realise that when fighting ssj2 gohan. cell isnt that skilled in detecting power levels and figuring out that yeah gohan just might be stronger and faster than he is.it was really programmed into him to observe weaknesses in his opponent.
well maybe he decided to intimidate her into backing down. after all, bra wouldnt do anything to risk pan's resurrection once she knew that fighting bojack would endanger it. its possible he never intended to take hits from ssj bra.He didn't tell Bra to fight him, he told her to hit him.
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