DBM Numbers from after hte end of frieza

Based on the information given during the Brolly special, we know that in DBM:

18 > Base Vegeta
SSj2 Gohan > SSj Vegeta

Based on this, I've able to write a few new formulas to calculate up the early Buu Saga power comparisons.

(Note: These are my calculations for the DBM cannon of these events in Universe 16/18, and probably the Buu universes as well, but -not- my interpretation of DBZ cannon)

Frieza Returns:

Gohan: 1.25
Goku: 7.04
Vegeta: 8.19
Frieza: 275.00
Cold: 280.00
SSj Trunks: 330.00
SSj Goku: 352.00

Androids:

Gohan: 2.41
Goku: 11.38
Vegeta: 13.12
Android 19: 480.00
Android 20: 530.00
SSj Goku: 569.00
SSj Vegeta: 656.00
Base Cell: 700.00
Android 18: 725.00
Kamicollo: 760.00
Cell: 775.00

Post Time Chamber:

Trunks: 15.75
Vegeta: 16.02
SSj Vegeta: 801.00
2nd Cell: 1500.00
2nd Vegeta: 1550.00
Perfect Cell: 1600.00 (Cell was holding back at this point)
3rd Trunks: 1650.00

Cell Games:

Trunks: 18.00
Vegeta: 19.57
Goku: 30.00
Gohan: 34.20
Rage Gohan: 47.50
SSj Trunks: 900.00
SSj Vegeta: 978.50
SSj Goku: 1500.00
Cell: 1600.00
SSj Gohan: 1710.00
FP Cell: 2300.00
RSSj Gohan: 2375.00
SPC Cell: 3800.00
RSSj2 Gohan: 4750.00

Buu Saga:

Goten: 2.20
Trunks: 2.50
Gohan: 34.00
Vegeta: 60.00
Goku: 70.00
SSj Gohan: 1700.00
Vegetto: 2800.00
SSj Vegeta: 3000.00
SSj2 Gohan: 3400.00
SSj Goku: 3500.00
Dabura: 3800.00
Mr. Buu: 5000.00
Fat Buu: (Varries. Fluctuates between Mr. Buu and Super Buu at various points)
SSj2 Vegeta: 6000.00
SSj2 Goku: 7000.00
Majin Vegeta: 7000.00 (Maybe as high as 7250, depending on if you think he held the advantage)
SSj3 Goku: 28000.00
Super Buu: 33000.00
SSj3 Gotenks: 35000.00
(M) Gohan: 38000.00
Buutenks: 68000.00
Buuhan: 71000.00
SSj Vegeto: 140000.00

Hidegarne? (1 Years Later)

Goten: 2.53
Trunks: 2.76
Goku: 80.00
Gotenks: 101.20

Hidegarne? (2 Years Later)

Goten: 2.80
Trunks: 3.05
Goku: 92.00
Gotenks: 112.00

Hidegarne? (3 Years Later)

Goten: 3.03
Trunks: 3.30
Goku: 107.64
Gotenks: 121.00

End of Z (10 Years Later)

Goten: 4.50
Trunks: 4.65
Gotenks: 180.00
Goku: 322.97

Multiverse (20 Years Later)

Goten: 4.50
Trunks: 4.65
Gotenks: 180.00
Goku: 1552.00
Vegeta: 1600.00 (In the DBM novel, Vegeta has a small advantage unless Goku goes SSj3)
Bra: 11500.00 (My Guess)
Vegeto: 21000.00
SSj3 Gotenks: 72000.00
SSj2 Goku: 155200.00
SSj2 Vegeta: 160000.00
SSj Bra: 575000.00
SSj3 Goku: 620800.00
SSj Vegetto: 1050000.00
SSj2 Bra: 1150000.00
SSj2 Vegetto:2100000.00
SSj3 Vegetto:8400000.00


Note(If Vegeto has around the same growth rate as Goku/Vegeta)

Vegeto: 64650
SSj Vegeto: 3232500
SSj2 Vegeto: 6465000
SSj3 Vegeto: 25860000

goku and majin vegeta seemed pretty equal, but vegeta did seem stronger. but that could of been because goku was holding back.

I personally doubt Goku was holding back, but if Vegeta was stronger it was only a touch.

Leon wrote:Based on the information given during the Brolly special, we know that in DBM:
18 > Base Vegeta

where is it stated or implied that 18 is still stronger than vegetas base? while i believe it to be true anyway, i dont see it stated at all.

i think he surpassed her, but not by much

Has to be.

If:

SSj2 Vegeta > SSj2 Gohan(Cell Sage) => SSj2 Gohan(Buu Saga) > SSj Vegeta

Then Vegeta's base can't be 2x Gohan's base. So:

2x Gohan (Cell Saga) => 2x Gohan (Buu Saga) > Vegeta Base

9 Years ago (7 normal, 2 time chamber), 18 > 50x Vegeta.

This means in order to beat her with certainty in base, Vegeta would need to be between 60x-65x stronger than he was then.

That would require either Gohan being something like 5-10x stronger than Vegeta at the cell games (highly, highly unlikely)
Or Vegeta gaining much more power during his 2 years in the Time Chamber than the 7 years between Cell and Buu.

While neither are impossible, they are extraordinarily unlikely.


Thus, the most likely outcome is Base 18 > Vegeta in DBM during the Buu Saga.



REMEMBER: THIS ISN'T ABOUT DBZ CANNON, BUT DBM CANNON.


Edit: Tinkering with the Android / Cell Sagas. At these slow rates of growth, either SSj Grade 2/3 have close to SSj2 level power at the cost of speed and mSSj does have a larger multiplier than 50x, or Cell gained less power from absorptions than Cell+17+18. Even with that said, and giving Gohan a something like 50% bonus boost from rate, I'm still showing him getting 15x stronger in his single year in the time chamber in order to make this particular rate of growth work.

Alright, that said, I've comprised a chart from Frieza on. I've updated the initial post with it.

...Okay, what are you using as the base measurement? Because these clearly aren't the scouter readings. And they're not Raditzes or Killis.

Well. They are "scouter" measurements, I've just reduced them by a base order. I might give that out later, but for now their just realitive to each other. ^_^

Leon wrote:REMEMBER: THIS ISN'T ABOUT DBZ CANNON, BUT DBM CANNON.


Edit: Tinkering with the Android / Cell Sagas. At these slow rates of growth, either SSj Grade 2/3 have close to SSj2 level power at the cost of speed and mSSj does have a larger multiplier than 50x, or Cell gained less power from absorptions than Cell+17+18. Even with that said, and giving Gohan a something like 50% bonus boost from rage, I'm still showing him getting 15x stronger in his single year in the time chamber in order to make this particular rate of growth work.

I've often thought F.Trunks SSJ1 grade 3 had power closer to Goku's MSSJ1 but was so inefficient that it was impractical. SSJ1 grade 3 would have a speed issue and an even greater stamina issue than SSJ1 grade 2. Without a stamina issue more Power can be accessed in SSJ1. I'm not sure MSSJ1 should be treated as a greater multiple though.